@mdavis: Racist how? Stereotyping white cops as having long, rubbery right arms?
In any case, this cartoon seems to be making reference to the fact that Michael Brown was actually three times as far from Darren Wilson’s police cruiser as the cops were claiming. This distance—over 100 feet—puts lie to the claim that Wilson was under direct threat when he murdered Brown.
I have no problem at all in agreeing with your post at all! But would add that anybody that would think that any cop (regardles of just how well trained in shooting his firearm) could even hit a person at 100 feet with a normal hand gun has never had to fire such a weapon for any kind of accuracy at that kind of distance!
I was a pretty good marksman while serving in the National Guard, but we never fired our 45 calibur automatics at a target more than about 75 feet from us, and even then were very happy to have even hit the target anywhere. A hand gun IS a close proximity weapon, and 100 feet is a terrible distance to even begin to think that you stand a chance of hitting someone accuratly enough to kill them with!!
The prosecutor’s report of the evidence showed shots WERE fired when the officer was still linside his car, and Brown’s blood was on the vehicle, then he ran off, witness statements weren’t all that conflicting when the shlockers out to “meet the press” were ruled out.
The tape of radio conversations proved the officer had his robbery suspect, not some “poor innocent kid”. Should he have shot a very large, very nasty, individual? That’s still just a little to be debated, but saying a large person is unarmed is also not true, Review police records of how many people are killed by “unarmed” people..
The REAL problem here is the media doing everythng they could to tell THEIR story, and start a riot, not seek the truth, and THAT is, for both sides of this argument, the situation when “public perception” takes the place of physical evidence, which the prosecutor DID reveal.
Furgeson does have a problem within their police “society”, but so does the town at large, and in its divergent segements, and that IS our national problem, grown worse again in the past six years. And the media has been a large player in that as well.
Maybe you should change your name to godwinwasright. And if anyone is espousing ideas anywhere close to those of a failed painter, I’d say it would be tironhead rather than Hiram Bingham. In fact, one of the closest things to a party espousing those sorts of ideas these days comes from the land of your namesake, and answers to the initials “BNP.”
What I find interesting is this has been an excellent case of the media trying and convicting a person before the facts get out. Go back to the beginning and study the actions of the news vultures.
Actually, “the rule of law, under which we all must abide”, doesn’t exist in this case. Normally, this prosecutor requests one of several charges, and presents evidence why the suspect should go to trial. This time, he requested nothing and dumped all the raw data on the GJ. It was a trial with no prosecutor and understandably the jury didn’t know what to do other than go with preconceived notions. All it takes is a majority to indict – or not indict.
And the Prosecutor was under no obligation to go to a Grand Jury
This is true. McCulloch could have indicted or not indicted on his own. But he decided to hide behind a grand jury in order to pursue a non-indictment.
he knew beforehand he had no chance of an indictment
He had every hope of an indictment, if he had chosen to actually pursue one. And this prosecutor, who is notoriously sympathetic to cops, did not pursue it. For instance, some of the witnesses he chose to include were…questionable to say the least (read the grand jury report, particularly Witness 40). The fact that McCulloch failed to propose charges to the grand jury was also highly unusual. Prosecutors gave to grand jurors a statute saying a police officer could shoot a fleeing subject—a statute the Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional almost 20 years ago. These are just three in a long list of examples of a process that was bent toward rendering a non-indictment from the start.
REFLEX hopes many hit their mark.
CHURCHILL WAS RIGHT hopes REFLEX’s home is broken into and his car is stolen.
agrestic hopes neither of these happened nor will happen. There’s already too much suffering in the world.
agrestic over 9 years ago
@mdavis: Racist how? Stereotyping white cops as having long, rubbery right arms?
In any case, this cartoon seems to be making reference to the fact that Michael Brown was actually three times as far from Darren Wilson’s police cruiser as the cops were claiming. This distance—over 100 feet—puts lie to the claim that Wilson was under direct threat when he murdered Brown.
frodo1008 over 9 years ago
I have no problem at all in agreeing with your post at all! But would add that anybody that would think that any cop (regardles of just how well trained in shooting his firearm) could even hit a person at 100 feet with a normal hand gun has never had to fire such a weapon for any kind of accuracy at that kind of distance!
I was a pretty good marksman while serving in the National Guard, but we never fired our 45 calibur automatics at a target more than about 75 feet from us, and even then were very happy to have even hit the target anywhere. A hand gun IS a close proximity weapon, and 100 feet is a terrible distance to even begin to think that you stand a chance of hitting someone accuratly enough to kill them with!!
braindead Premium Member over 9 years ago
Was the officer’s account of the shooting ever published?
Dtroutma over 9 years ago
The prosecutor’s report of the evidence showed shots WERE fired when the officer was still linside his car, and Brown’s blood was on the vehicle, then he ran off, witness statements weren’t all that conflicting when the shlockers out to “meet the press” were ruled out.
The tape of radio conversations proved the officer had his robbery suspect, not some “poor innocent kid”. Should he have shot a very large, very nasty, individual? That’s still just a little to be debated, but saying a large person is unarmed is also not true, Review police records of how many people are killed by “unarmed” people..
The REAL problem here is the media doing everythng they could to tell THEIR story, and start a riot, not seek the truth, and THAT is, for both sides of this argument, the situation when “public perception” takes the place of physical evidence, which the prosecutor DID reveal.
Furgeson does have a problem within their police “society”, but so does the town at large, and in its divergent segements, and that IS our national problem, grown worse again in the past six years. And the media has been a large player in that as well.
agrestic over 9 years ago
Maybe you should change your name to godwinwasright. And if anyone is espousing ideas anywhere close to those of a failed painter, I’d say it would be tironhead rather than Hiram Bingham. In fact, one of the closest things to a party espousing those sorts of ideas these days comes from the land of your namesake, and answers to the initials “BNP.”
FrankTrades over 9 years ago
Hey Lalo, go ride with a cop in the inner city on a Fri night.
lopaka over 9 years ago
What I find interesting is this has been an excellent case of the media trying and convicting a person before the facts get out. Go back to the beginning and study the actions of the news vultures.
kaffekup over 9 years ago
Actually, “the rule of law, under which we all must abide”, doesn’t exist in this case. Normally, this prosecutor requests one of several charges, and presents evidence why the suspect should go to trial. This time, he requested nothing and dumped all the raw data on the GJ. It was a trial with no prosecutor and understandably the jury didn’t know what to do other than go with preconceived notions. All it takes is a majority to indict – or not indict.
agrestic over 9 years ago
And the Prosecutor was under no obligation to go to a Grand Jury
This is true. McCulloch could have indicted or not indicted on his own. But he decided to hide behind a grand jury in order to pursue a non-indictment.
he knew beforehand he had no chance of an indictment
He had every hope of an indictment, if he had chosen to actually pursue one. And this prosecutor, who is notoriously sympathetic to cops, did not pursue it. For instance, some of the witnesses he chose to include were…questionable to say the least (read the grand jury report, particularly Witness 40). The fact that McCulloch failed to propose charges to the grand jury was also highly unusual. Prosecutors gave to grand jurors a statute saying a police officer could shoot a fleeing subject—a statute the Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional almost 20 years ago. These are just three in a long list of examples of a process that was bent toward rendering a non-indictment from the start.
REFLEX hopes many hit their mark.
CHURCHILL WAS RIGHT hopes REFLEX’s home is broken into and his car is stolen.
agrestic hopes neither of these happened nor will happen. There’s already too much suffering in the world.