At least it isn’t 911. What did happen to all the Republican claims we’d be attacked again if Obama won? Yes, he’s been challenged, and he hasn’t rushed into a bunch of bad decisions. I am getting impatient on some things, but also have too many life experiences to think that wise men should rush into the same paths as fools.
Church, The Santa Barbara oil fields were shelled by a submarine. The Oregon coast took a few, non-destructive hits as well. The only mainland American fatalities in WW II were killed about 30 miles from my back yard, by a balloon bomb.
I’m a disabled ‘Nam vet. My son is about to get out as a disabled veteran of Iraq, Bosnia, and “elsewhere”, after 11 years of service with folks who really know “where we’ve been, and what we’ve done”.
When I see scars, emotional and physical, I look no further than my son and I, and wonder how so many “right wing chickenhawks” who’ve never been anywhere, or given anything, get their hatred, malice, and stupidity.
Read “Sniper One” or “Apache”, written by BRITISH soldiers who served in Afghanistan and Iraq. The interesting fact is that those men write not with “John Wayne cowboy bravado”, but with the simple common sense that war is about killing, not glamor, and true heros don’t wave flags and thump their chest, they just do their job.
I’m glad to see Obama is doing things to prove he cares about these true “heroes”. As Forest would say, “and that’s a fact.”
dtroutma, well said, sir. My daughter was in the army reserves and my father was a WW2 vet. War is hell and not something to be played at with human lives. Chickenhawks like Cheney put us where we are today.
Eagle, that is such BS. Take off your partisan blinders and open your eyes. We’ve been slowly sold off to the Chinese for many years now and it started loooong before Obama took office.
Take a good, honest look at W’s presidency. Bush had 8 years of deficit spending. He borrowed so much money, the Republican lead Congress had to change the law to raise the limit on how much debt the government could legally have. He wasted trillions of dollars on unnecessary wars, boondoggles, and over priced, unfulfilled military contracts. Bush gave 15 billion dollars to the airlines after 9/11 with no strings attached. After the executives gave themselves raises and bonuses, they asked for even more because they didn’t have enough to install sturdy doors in the cockpit. He gave away 700 billion dollars to mega banks with no strings attached. After the executives gave themselves raises and bonuses, they asked for even more because they lost track of how they spent it. At least with Obama’s bailout, the banks who take the bailout money have to repay it.
Where you may see a “homosexual agenda,” many of us see a civil rights issue. You obviously haven’t paid any real attention to Obama’s beliefs on that subject, either. He never had much of a “homosexual agenda.” He wouldn’t even give “the gays” much in the way of empty promises. From what I’ve seen he just dances around the issue.
My grandfather also fought in WWII. My uncles, father, step-father, and step-uncles all served in Vietnam. I also have cousins who served in the first golf war. My family’s or your family’s military service, noble as it may be, has nothing to do with partisan politics. It also doesn’t give a person a free pass in a discussion forum. People “go after” other people based on the content of their comment(s), not their military service.
Enlisted, volunteered for ‘Nam. Son went Navy because I didn’t want him around the crazy people I was with, he ended up with SCW, so much for that. (yes, we did hope for no more SENSELESS war.)
Going after bin Laden and the camps was OKAY! Removing governments, once again, and invading Iraq, pure stupidity.
I get disgusted with the “hate America” charge- sorry, searching for a word that will not be censored— blleep, coming from so many folks who really DO hate it, because they refuse to stand up for it, (military service, or alternatives, and finding out what is really going on) against corporations, and those out to destroy this nation, not for just legitimate “profit”, but for ludicrous thievery not only unchecked, but rewarded.
I can think of no persons who hate America more than Dick Cheney and Karl Rove- oh, they love the perks, but have deliberately set fire to the Constitution, and used ignorance, from their candidates, and electors, to get their way.
I not only love my country, but have spent over 40 years working to make it a better place for ALL of us, and tried to wake people up to the dangers rampant in the last 25 years.
Sorry, but anyone who put their life on the line for this country (military, firefighter, cop etc) has a LOT MORE VALID “Privilege”, not just right to speak, and be heard. Think of the old “chicken is involved, but the pig is truly committed” breakfast analogy.
From where I’m sitting the abomination is that attitude. I compare it to civil rights because I believe it /is/ an issue of civil rights. In the end, it doesn’t lead to any more problems then heterosexual sex. It does, however, expose some people’s already existing unchristian hatred and hypocrisy.
I know the Bible listed homosexuality as a “death sin.” I read the Bible. That means I’m also aware that wearing blended fabrics (e.g. cotton/poly blends) is also a “death sin.” The same book that condemns homosexuality condemns a LOT of stuff that “good Christians” flagrantly ignore. It also commands many things that are also ignored. That’s the hypocrisy. Do you demand woman to cover their hair when they leave the house?. Do you pay your priest or minister to sacrifice a goat to atone for your sins? Are you sure your socks aren’t the common cotton/poly blend? Do you observe the Sabbath Year?
I’d argue your “it ain’t natural” stance, but most “conservative Christians” outright ignore any scientific study and methodical observation when it disagrees with what they “know.” There was a time when Christians “knew” the earth was flat and was the center of the Universe. To disagree was heretical.
It doesn’t matter what you or I want or don’t want to see. If it’s gross, don’t think about it. No one’s asking you to join in. The thought of my elderly neighbors “gettin’ busy” is gross, so I don’t waste time thinking about it. If they start getting frisky in their back yard, I stop looking into their yard.
“Imagine if it was a republican president that signed over the country to China, bankrupted the nation, accomplished nothing with full support of the house and senate.”
I don’t need to imagine. I doubt anyone has forgotten 2000-2008. The economic catastrophe that the US, and indeed the world, is still reeling from didn’t start in January 2009, oh mighty bird.
OmqR-IV.0 over 14 years ago
A Nelson? What’s a cricketing term doing in this ‘toon?
Oh wait, when was the actual US election, exactly a year ago? That explains the wilted candle…
ANandy over 14 years ago
BozOTUS is so last year.
d_legendary1 over 14 years ago
One year and they except him to solve world hunger.
Jason Allen over 14 years ago
So is your blind hatred of him Anandy.
cdward over 14 years ago
Jase, ANandy’s thought process is so last century.
NoFearPup over 14 years ago
^True. Enough of the window-dressing for marxist change and crony payoffs.
Dtroutma over 14 years ago
At least it isn’t 911. What did happen to all the Republican claims we’d be attacked again if Obama won? Yes, he’s been challenged, and he hasn’t rushed into a bunch of bad decisions. I am getting impatient on some things, but also have too many life experiences to think that wise men should rush into the same paths as fools.
NoFearPup over 14 years ago
Don’t worry, troutie. Libs aren’t going anywhere.
Dtroutma over 14 years ago
Church, The Santa Barbara oil fields were shelled by a submarine. The Oregon coast took a few, non-destructive hits as well. The only mainland American fatalities in WW II were killed about 30 miles from my back yard, by a balloon bomb.
I’m a disabled ‘Nam vet. My son is about to get out as a disabled veteran of Iraq, Bosnia, and “elsewhere”, after 11 years of service with folks who really know “where we’ve been, and what we’ve done”.
When I see scars, emotional and physical, I look no further than my son and I, and wonder how so many “right wing chickenhawks” who’ve never been anywhere, or given anything, get their hatred, malice, and stupidity.
Read “Sniper One” or “Apache”, written by BRITISH soldiers who served in Afghanistan and Iraq. The interesting fact is that those men write not with “John Wayne cowboy bravado”, but with the simple common sense that war is about killing, not glamor, and true heros don’t wave flags and thump their chest, they just do their job.
I’m glad to see Obama is doing things to prove he cares about these true “heroes”. As Forest would say, “and that’s a fact.”
deadheadzan over 14 years ago
dtroutma, well said, sir. My daughter was in the army reserves and my father was a WW2 vet. War is hell and not something to be played at with human lives. Chickenhawks like Cheney put us where we are today.
Jason Allen over 14 years ago
Eagle, that is such BS. Take off your partisan blinders and open your eyes. We’ve been slowly sold off to the Chinese for many years now and it started loooong before Obama took office.
Take a good, honest look at W’s presidency. Bush had 8 years of deficit spending. He borrowed so much money, the Republican lead Congress had to change the law to raise the limit on how much debt the government could legally have. He wasted trillions of dollars on unnecessary wars, boondoggles, and over priced, unfulfilled military contracts. Bush gave 15 billion dollars to the airlines after 9/11 with no strings attached. After the executives gave themselves raises and bonuses, they asked for even more because they didn’t have enough to install sturdy doors in the cockpit. He gave away 700 billion dollars to mega banks with no strings attached. After the executives gave themselves raises and bonuses, they asked for even more because they lost track of how they spent it. At least with Obama’s bailout, the banks who take the bailout money have to repay it.
Where you may see a “homosexual agenda,” many of us see a civil rights issue. You obviously haven’t paid any real attention to Obama’s beliefs on that subject, either. He never had much of a “homosexual agenda.” He wouldn’t even give “the gays” much in the way of empty promises. From what I’ve seen he just dances around the issue.
My grandfather also fought in WWII. My uncles, father, step-father, and step-uncles all served in Vietnam. I also have cousins who served in the first golf war. My family’s or your family’s military service, noble as it may be, has nothing to do with partisan politics. It also doesn’t give a person a free pass in a discussion forum. People “go after” other people based on the content of their comment(s), not their military service.
Dtroutma over 14 years ago
Enlisted, volunteered for ‘Nam. Son went Navy because I didn’t want him around the crazy people I was with, he ended up with SCW, so much for that. (yes, we did hope for no more SENSELESS war.)
Going after bin Laden and the camps was OKAY! Removing governments, once again, and invading Iraq, pure stupidity.
I get disgusted with the “hate America” charge- sorry, searching for a word that will not be censored— blleep, coming from so many folks who really DO hate it, because they refuse to stand up for it, (military service, or alternatives, and finding out what is really going on) against corporations, and those out to destroy this nation, not for just legitimate “profit”, but for ludicrous thievery not only unchecked, but rewarded.
I can think of no persons who hate America more than Dick Cheney and Karl Rove- oh, they love the perks, but have deliberately set fire to the Constitution, and used ignorance, from their candidates, and electors, to get their way.
I not only love my country, but have spent over 40 years working to make it a better place for ALL of us, and tried to wake people up to the dangers rampant in the last 25 years.
Sorry, but anyone who put their life on the line for this country (military, firefighter, cop etc) has a LOT MORE VALID “Privilege”, not just right to speak, and be heard. Think of the old “chicken is involved, but the pig is truly committed” breakfast analogy.
Jason Allen over 14 years ago
From where I’m sitting the abomination is that attitude. I compare it to civil rights because I believe it /is/ an issue of civil rights. In the end, it doesn’t lead to any more problems then heterosexual sex. It does, however, expose some people’s already existing unchristian hatred and hypocrisy.
Jason Allen over 14 years ago
Eagle,
I know the Bible listed homosexuality as a “death sin.” I read the Bible. That means I’m also aware that wearing blended fabrics (e.g. cotton/poly blends) is also a “death sin.” The same book that condemns homosexuality condemns a LOT of stuff that “good Christians” flagrantly ignore. It also commands many things that are also ignored. That’s the hypocrisy. Do you demand woman to cover their hair when they leave the house?. Do you pay your priest or minister to sacrifice a goat to atone for your sins? Are you sure your socks aren’t the common cotton/poly blend? Do you observe the Sabbath Year?
I’d argue your “it ain’t natural” stance, but most “conservative Christians” outright ignore any scientific study and methodical observation when it disagrees with what they “know.” There was a time when Christians “knew” the earth was flat and was the center of the Universe. To disagree was heretical.
It doesn’t matter what you or I want or don’t want to see. If it’s gross, don’t think about it. No one’s asking you to join in. The thought of my elderly neighbors “gettin’ busy” is gross, so I don’t waste time thinking about it. If they start getting frisky in their back yard, I stop looking into their yard.
4uk4ata over 14 years ago
“Imagine if it was a republican president that signed over the country to China, bankrupted the nation, accomplished nothing with full support of the house and senate.”
I don’t need to imagine. I doubt anyone has forgotten 2000-2008. The economic catastrophe that the US, and indeed the world, is still reeling from didn’t start in January 2009, oh mighty bird.