Jim Morin for November 07, 2019

Et tu, Jim Morin? We expect that from some of the others, but you’re usually better than that.

No magic wand is needed to make Elizabeth Warren’s cost figures add up. Even Paul Krugman, Nobel Laureate in economics who has not endorsed Warren or her plan (he prefers an alternative that keeps insurance companies in the mix more like what is proposed, with less specificity, by Biden, Buttigieg and Klobuchar), concedes that Warren’s plan “passes the test” and that:

a) the math is solid and the numbers add up, and

b) if the plan were to be enacted, if it could pass congress, it would do what Warren says it would do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/01/opinion/did-warren-pass-the-medicare-test-i-think-so.html

Universal public health care works in virtually every other modern industrialized nation — better health care outcomes for half the per capita expense. The idea that it can’t work here is the opposite of “American exceptionalism” — it is saying you believe Americans are less capable and less worthy than those in all the other countries where it is an amazing success.

Be honest, Mr Morin. You can state your preference for a different approach if you’re into perpetuating corporate profits for the Big Insurance bullies who have ripped off consumers for decades, but trying to refute solid numbers, backed up by top economists, makes YOU the teller of fairy tales.

I don’t see medicare for all. But we must have health care for all. Sorry but I don’t think free college is a must. Reasonable higher ed. yes. And not everyone needs college.

WTF, Jim?!

Derp! Yeah! Just because EVERY OTHER CIVILIZED COUNTRY ON THE PLANET HAS SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, it’s clearly not possible or practical here it the USA.

Maybe in a way you’re right, it would take a miracle for America to start acting like a civilized country.

I’m still disturbed to see Jim Morin echoing conservative BS. It’s just not right. Please return to your usual sanity as soon as you can.

Like I’ve said many times before, everyone’s entitled to their opinion even if they’re wrong. :-)

With that said, Jim, I disagree that we need a fairy godmother to implement M4A if we really want it bad enough. However, we would need a bill to passCongress to make it happen and a President willing to sign it into law. That’s going to require a lot of Ds at the polls in 2020.

I see that Mr. Morin is trying to be realistic: He’s thinking there’s no way our obscene(ly wealthy) masters will allow us to tax them for the good of the people. He might be right. But Warren’s numbers do add up correctly (or at least close enough for government work).

Please…Let’s get Trump out of the way first…THEN start worrying about how to fix the insurance thing. If he wins, it’s all one big moot point. I’m on Medicare. I like it. I also have supplemental insurance that is very affordable to me ($153 a month, decent co-pays..dental, vision included). I like that also. But when I get the statements (not bills) I wonder…who IS paying for this?? It will need a great deal of work, not a lot of wrangling.

Worst fairy godmother ever. Couldn’t even find a big enough carriage to fit her in or enough rats to pull it.

The long, unending debate about Health care in this country is illustrative of the political, social and economic divisions within the United States. Instead of members of BOTH major political sides sitting down to construct a comprehensive system good for ALL citizens, both side push their own agendas as THEY see fit. Whatever might be passed by one party may simply be undone when the opposing party gets into the majority, and vice-versa, on and on and on…… . . . . The legislators, the lawyers, the pharmas, the insurers all make greater profits. What can we do? Don’t age, don’t get injured, don’t get sick!

BIDEN said Warren plan will cost trillions more…..

Imagine what might happen to health care costs if people could afford preventative care, heading off expensive illnesses which might have been nipped in the bud much sooner and less expensively.

Jim, are you suggesting that Americans are dumber than most other industrialized countries? They have managed to do it, or something close.

The Gocomics healthcare plan must be really good to not want a healthcare plan with a $0 deductible $0 copay and $0 max out of pocket. not to mention a $12,000 tax cut for the average family

Did any of these cartoonists actually read Warren’s plan?

https://assets.ctfassets.net/4ubxbgy9463z/27ao9rfB6MbQgGmaXK4eGc/d06d5a224665324432c6155199afe0bf/Medicare_for_All_Revenue_Letter___Appendix.pdf

Oh and the ACA was called “a socialist takeover of healthcare” and these same types of “hOw ArE yOu GoNnA pAy FoR iT?” attacks were used against the ACA too. Now that it is a more socialist plan, no one is scared.

Is this some kind of half-arsed attempt to get Joe Biden elected? Let the people decide. Once they understand the benefit of a medical plan that covers everyone without insurance companies denying coverage, you’ll see who’s popular.

I bet you would say the same 90 years ago to Social Security, yet you will still take it when you retire. Let’s catch up with every other 1st world country why don’t we?

American capitalism and health care for all are not compatible.. Can’t have both evidently.

Lets keep the USA bankrupting families with sick children, its the Republican way.

Doctors agree that the American ‘health care system’ is broken.

Why not? Civilised countries do it.

Let’s take a COUPLE OF BILLION $$ A YEAR FROM THE DoD, and THAT’LL DO IT!!!!

Then how do other countries afford it?

It’s still what we need.

As long as the Senate is Republican Good bills will not pass. In 2020 we can change that. VOTE

By the way… this is PERSONAL FOR ME, since my Partner DIED from Cancer AFTER being mis-diagnosed by the 3rd tier Doctor the insurance company TOLD HIM THAT HE HAD TO USE!!! She tried to treat a Cancerous Lymph node WITH ANTIBIOTICS, because the Insurance WOULD NOT PAY for a Biopsy until it BURST! It spread through his body until he DIED IN EXTREME PAIN in the Hospital!

Fits are being pitched here today, but let’s all remember a few basics. 1) Dreaming big is often productive. 2) Numbers are easy compared with changing a massive complex system. 3) No president gets to make the big decisions on heath care. 4) Our present situation is chaotic and inefficient.

Maybe it would take a miracle to make Americans see the simple fact that other countries successfully accomplish this. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Right wingers hate the idea of health care for Americans,

it cuts into their socialist tax breaks for billionaires program.

Just asking: Where is the supercalifragalistic Bestest health care plan of all time that Trump promised?

What about Sanders? Isn’t he proposing the exact same thing ? Is it just because she is a woman?

I really wish people would stop conflating health care INSURANCE with health care. also, Medicare is NOT FREE. Just like private insurance you pay a premium. Right now basic Medicare for me is $139 (I think that’s right) per month. I pay another $35 for the drug benefit, and another $189 for Part D which covers the 20% Medicare doesn’t. That is NOT free but it is affordable.

The whole point of opening up Medicare to everyone is that large numbers of people who cannot afford private insurance would be able to get coverage. It’s not a giveaway … it’s a takeaway from the thieves and robber barons of the insurance industry. Once upon a time health care insurance was affordable. Until the Reagan administration removed all the regulations and the mob moved in.

I know this because when I was in my 20’s my monthly premium for full coverage insurance was something like $5.

Fewer rich insurance agencies around with competing plans that are usually only competitive in the things they won’t cover. Most people who are against universal healthcare already have access to good insurance paid for by someone else. We’ve seen an Affordable Care Plan that has been systematically gutted by the Republicans. We’ve seen the steadily worsening effects of the Republicans’ NO PLAN. So why not try something new?

the Koch Brothers funded a study that said the current “system” would cost $34 trillion over the next 10 years, but Medicare For All would cost $32 trillion over the next 10 years, saving $2 trillion. The Kochs said it, I believe it, and that settles it!

Every other industrialized nation has universal coverage. I guess the US just isn’t smart enough to figure it out, or to copy one of the many working systems out there today….

It would be nice if all of America had the same health and retirement benefits that congress has.

Warren could pass Medicare for all as an Enrollment plan and let everyone Choose between Medicare and Private Insurance.

The Private Insurance companies would Disappear within 5 years as everyone chose the Better, less expensive option.

The Pharma companies would Squeal like a dying Pig about how it’s just Not Fair to allow Medicare to negotiate deals to get drugs Cheaper, something Medicare is currently Prohibited from doing, thanks to Legislation passed by Republiklans in Congress.

I’m not sure what point Jim Morin was trying to make, but I can think of a couple besides “medicare for all will be too expensive”.

1) It’s a great idea, but good luck on getting Congress to enact it!

2) It’s a great idea, but the work needed to implement the changeover will likely take more than two presidential terms!

The obstacles are political, not financial. Insurance companies skim at least 25% off of medical expenses but provide no medical services.

Just started with Mr. Morin and I hope this info is wrong as I have been behind 100% but of course you can not always get it right.